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Lecture 78 of 81 · The Libertarian Tradition

Eight Ways to Run the Country

Jeff Riggenbach · 16:10 · Recorded 20 July 2011

Eight Ways to Run the Country by Jeff Riggenbach is a free audio lecture (16:10) at freecapitalists.org, recorded 20 July 2011, part of the 81-lecture series The Libertarian Tradition.

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0:00The Ludwig von Mises Institute presents The Libertarian Tradition, an audio series with Jeff Rickenbach. I only very recently became aware of the existence of a book called Eight Ways to Run the Country, a new and revealing look at left and right by Brian Patrick Mitchell. I think I keep up fairly well with what's coming out that relates to the libertarian tradition, so at first I thought perhaps this was a new book that had somehow slipped past my net. But once I looked into it, I found that it wasn't new at all. Eight Ways to Run the Country was published four years ago, back in 2007, before I had begun doing the libertarian tradition podcast for the Mises Institute and keeping my eagle

1:22the book on lewrockwell.com back in 2007 when it first became available. He spoke highly of it on the whole, though he expressed a few reservations, which I'll come back to momentarily. More recently, Anthony Gregory has jumped on the bandwagon with even greater enthusiasm, claiming, again on lewrockwell.com, that Mitchell's little book is illuminating, and altogether are the best explanation of the political spectrum, a volume that makes sense of all the major mysteries. I beg to differ, but before I go into exactly why, I should say something about what I do like about this book. Otherwise, I fear that my positive comments, and even the fact that my overall response is mixed, not negative, will be utterly forgotten in the mad rush of negativity that'll be coming your way over the next few minutes.

2:17Brian Patrick Mitchell is the Washington Bureau Chief of Investors Business Daily. He writes crisply and succinctly and very readably. More important, he devotes a substantial amount of space to us, the libertarian movement. Two of his 11 chapters, 25 of his 142 pages, are about us. Nearly a fifth of his total text is about us. It has been said with much wisdom that everyone's favorite subject is himself, unless, of course, it's herself. Any libertarian who loves reading about the libertarian movement and where its ideas fit into the American political spectrum will want to read this book. The problem for me is that I can't find myself in Mitchell's pages.

3:06And by that I don't mean that he doesn't cite me or quote me. He doesn't. But that's irrelevant to my point. My point is that I'm not there in his book in spirit, and neither is any other libertarian who thinks as I do. By Mitchell's standards, such libertarians as we simply don't exist. Let me explain. According to Mitchell, there are two kinds of libertarians. There are the individualists and there are the paleo-libertarians. The individualists are typified by the libertarians who staff the Cato Institute and Reason magazine. These individualists, Mitchell writes, are really rather pro-government, because as they see it, government, after all, provides the necessary framework for the individual's pursuit of happiness.

3:55Few of these individualists believe in God or the traditional moral values associated with such faith. They are, in fact, deeply resentful of people trying to impose their morality on others. They exhibit reluctance to make moral judgments themselves, and give everyone else in American political life reason to suspect that they are just libertines, who don't believe in right or wrong, but push libertarianism because it would let them do as they please. Nor are they much impressed with the role churches have historically played in bringing order to community life. They believe that free individuals create their own order as they pursue their own interests, and their ideal society is not a group bound together by mutual obligation or freely accepted authority, but a free association of autonomous individuals protected by an accepted legal framework.

4:56These individualists typically support the Libertarian Party, whose 2000 platform, Mitchell informs us, is a pedophile's dream. After all, it affirms a right Murray Rothbard long argued that we should respect, every child's right to run away from his or her parents. Also, as Mitchell notes in a tone of shocked horror, it would bar the government from restricting private adoption services, which would effectively legalize the buying and selling of children for sexual service. Moreover, Mitchell writes, most individualists have confined their complaints about the Iraq and Afghanistan wars to the sacrifice of civil liberties at home and warnings about the costs and risks of military intervention.

5:46Many have publicly backed the use of force abroad. The Paleo-libertarians, by contrast, have opposed the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, opposed them forthrightly and absolutely. Mitchell uses the late Harry Brown to typify the Paleo-libertarian view of national defense. Brown, he writes, was all for defending the country, but thought the country would not much need defending if it were not so imperialistic. Brown believed, according to Mitchell, that war is just one more government program, inefficiently run like the U.S. Postal Service. Government doesn't work, even when fighting wars. He quotes Brown again, if a government wins a war, it's only because it's fighting another government.

6:35Paleo-libertarians, according to Mitchell, are typified not only by Brown, but also by by the people who staff the Ludwig von Mises Institute and write for lewrockwell.com. And what that means, he has already made abundantly clear, for he has written about another of the intellectuals he has chosen to focus on, Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com, that his organizational attachments are to the right. He is a contributing editor of the American Conservative and a former adjunct scholar at the Ludwig von Mises Institute. Not that. If A is B and B is C, then A is C. The Ludwig von Mises Institute is on the right. A paleo-libertarian, Mitchell maintains, is a right-leaning libertarian.

7:25Yet he also wants us to believe that paleolibs are anarchists of a sort. For the paleolib is confident of man's ability to live without government. He believes that virtually everything that governments have tried to manage, from lighthouses to law enforcement, can be better managed by private persons or groups. For the paleolib, as Mitchell understands him, at its best, government is a necessary evil. At its worst, it is the greatest evil the world has ever known. He quotes Harry Brown as saying that government is merely an agency of coercion. Of course there are other agencies of coercion, such as the mafia, so to be more precise, government is the agency of coercion that has flags in front of its offices.

8:16Or to put it another way, government is society's dominant producer of coercion. The mafia and independent bandits are merely fringe competitors, seeking to take advantage of the niches and nooks neglected by the government. So there you have it, the contemporary libertarian movement, individualists who support so-called limited government and are irreligious hedonists and libertines, and paleolibs who want to abolish the government and replace it with a vast network of churches that would try to impose traditional Christian morality on everyone through the power of persuasion and The use of social and cultural sanctions, like boycotts and shunning.

9:02Is this cockeyed or what? This is what I would expect from a clever journalist who knew nothing about the subject, contemporary libertarianism, but was not unfriendly toward it. It's the sort of conclusion somebody who was doing a very quick introductory study of the subject might come up with. But I certainly can't find myself in this mishmash. I don't regard government, even at its best, as a necessary evil. I regard it as an unnecessary evil. Like Mitchell's paleolibs, I want to abolish it entirely. But my moral views are more like those of Ayn Rand than like those of any traditionalist Christian I've ever encountered. I'm as secular as they come. I care nothing about churches and tend to stay away from them.

9:50I think individuals who want to structure their lives around traditional values and traditional ways should definitely do that. I wish them well and hope they have happy and pleasant lives. Myself, I've always preferred a more bohemian lifestyle. I pick and choose among the traditions I find around me, honoring those I like, ignoring those I don't like, and working to create new traditions of my own to replace the ones I jettison. Like the individualists, I think one of the appealing qualities of a free society is its openness to individual choice and experimentation in personal lifestyle. But I'm sure as hell no advocate of the childish fantasy of limited government. Nor am I alone in all this.

10:37I personally know many other contemporary libertarians who would have difficulty recognizing themselves in the distorted funhouse mirror Brian Patrick Mitchell has held up to what Murray Rothbard always called this movement of ours. In fairness to Mitchell, I must acknowledge that portraying and anatomizing the contemporary libertarian movement was not his chief objective in writing this book. He was up to something much more ambitious than that. And back in 2007, Tom Woods seems to have thought that Mitchell did a pretty good job of achieving his more ambitious goal. What to my mind makes Mitchell's book valuable, Tom wrote back then, is its usefulness as a political and philosophical primer for those who would like to understand the ideological landscape in America.

11:29In that sense, Mitchell's book is rather like The Nine Nations of North America, if you remember that extremely astute 30-year-old Tom, except that, in my judgment at least, Joel Garot makes his case in the nine nations of North America, whereas Brian Patrick Mitchell does not make his in eight ways to run the country. To Mitchell, you see, there are eight ideological stances at play in contemporary American politics. There are three kinds of leftists, the communitarians, the progressives, and the radicals, who are better known to the rest of us as anarcho-communists. There are three kinds of conservatives, the paleocons, the theocons, that is, the religious right and the neocons.

12:18And there are, as we have seen, two types of libertarians. All these permutations are necessary because each group has a different combination of attitudes toward the issue of what Albert J. Nock called social power versus state power. Some of them like state power and dislike social power. Others dislike state power and like social power. Still others dislike both social power and state power. Yet others like both state power and social power. In the case of the libertarians, the indies don't like social power while the paleolibs do. Simplistic? Yes. Misleading? Yes. A Procrustian bed into which many actual libertarians simply can't be made to fit?

13:10Definitely. To return to my own case, my name is publicly associated with the Ludwig von Mises Institute, so probably I'm a paleolib in Mitchell's eyes, though he does acknowledge that all libertarians accept the basic libertarian program of private property and individual rights, and so there There is considerable crossover among indies and paleolibs supporting the same organizations and writing for the same magazines. The part of this sentence in which Mitchell asserts that all libertarians accept individual rights is not technically correct, of course. Ever since Max Stirner in the mid-19th century, so-called consequentialist libertarians have have argued that an individual should act as though he respects the rights of others, even though no such thing as rights actually exists, because conducting his affairs in this way will, in the long run, benefit him.

14:13This is merely another indication of how little Mitchell really understands about libertarianism, how quick and superficial his study of it was. On the other hand, when Mitchell says there's a lot of crossover institutionally among indies and paleolibs, he's right. Frankly, I wish he had devoted more of his discussion to the many ways in which these supposedly different types of libertarians do in fact work together to advance common goals. Instead, he devotes most of his energy in his two chapters on this movement of ours to perpetuating the supposed feud between the Mises Institute libertarians and the Beltway libertarians of the Cato Institute and the Reason Foundation.

15:00This kind of thing is a waste of time and energy, I think. It seems to me every libertarian should just do his or her own thing and hope their fellow libertarians will surprise them by actually accomplishing something by pursuing their different strategies. We should be critical of each other to be sure. We should subject our fellow libertarians to the closest scrutiny, and we should bar no holds in our criticism, particularly if we believe that what our fellow libertarian is doing might mislead the public, selling it something that isn't libertarianism but is being presented under that name. But endless dwelling on our differences will get us nowhere, and portraying those differences Those in a way that doesn't even account for the available evidence?

15:50Ditto. This is Jeff Rigenbach.

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